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Tertium Organum (P.D. Ouspensky) · 24 of 225 · tr. Nicholas Bessaraboff and Claude Bragdon

Chapter II (part 6)

." 1 But the formula defining "space" as "the form of matter in the universe" suffers from this deficiency, that there is introduced in it the concept of "matter," i.e., the unknown . I have already spoken of that "dead-end siding," x=y, y=x, to which all attempts at the physical definition of matter inevitably lead. Psychological definitions lead to the same thing. In a well-known book, The Psychology of the Soul , A. I. Herzen says: We call matter everything which directly or indirectly offers resistance to motion, directly or indirectly produced by us, manifesting a remarkable analogy with our passive states. And we call force (motion) that which directly or indirectly communicates movement to us or to other bodies, thus manifesting the greatest similitude to our active states. Consequently, "matter" and "motion" are something like projections of our active and passive states. It is clear that it is possible to define the passive state only in terms of the active, and the active in terms of the passive—again two unknowns, defining one another. E. Douglas Fawcett, in an article entitled Idealism and the Problem of Nature in The Quest (April, 1910), discusses matter from this point of view. p. 32 Matter (like force) does not give us any trouble. We know all about it, for the very good reason that we invented it . By "matter" we think of sensuous objects. It is mental change of concrete but too complicated facts, which are difficult to deal with. Strictly speaking, matter exists only as a concept. Truth to tell, the character of matter, even when treated only as a conception, is so unobvious that the majority of persons are unable to tell us exactly what they mean by it. An important fact is here brought to light: matter and force are just logical concepts , i.e., only words accepted for the designation of a lengthy series of complicated facts. It is difficult for us, educated almost exclusively along physical lines, to understand this clearly, but in substance it may be stated as follows: Who has seen matter and force , and when? We see things, see phenomena. Matter , independently of the substance from which a given thing is made, or of which it consists, we have never seen and never shall see; but the given substance is not quite matter , this is wood , or iron or stone . Similarly, we shall never see force separately from motion . What does this mean? It means that " matter " and " force " are just such abstract conceptions as "value" or "labor," as "the purchasing value of a coin" or the "contents" of a book; it means that matter is "such stuff as dreams are made of." And because we can never touch this "stuff" and can see it only in dreams, so we can never touch physical matter, nor see, nor hear, nor photograph it, separately from the object . We cognize things and phenomena which are bad or good, but we never cognize " matter " and " force " separately from things and phenomena . Matter is as much an abstract conception as are truth, good and evil. It is as impossible to put matter or any part of matter into a chemical retort or crucible as it is impossible to sell " Egyptian darkness " in vials. However as it is said that "Egyptian darkness" is sold as a black powder in Athos, or elsewhere, therefore perhaps somewhere, by some one, even matter has been seen. 1 p. 33 In order to discuss questions of this order a certain preparation is necessary, or a high degree of intuition; but unfortunately it is customary to consider fundamental questions of cosmogony very lightly.
Themes
Mechanical Humanityanthropology

Gurdjieff and Ouspensky's claim that ordinary human beings live in a state of waking sleep, reacting mechanically without unified will or consciousness, and that the spiritual path begins with recognising this condition.

The passage critiques the inability of persons educated along physical lines to understand fundamental concepts, reflecting the limitation of ordinary consciousness characteristic of this concept.

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Opposites Transcendedanthropology

The dissolution of binary oppositions (male/female, inner/outer, above/below) as a mark of spiritual completion.

The passage highlights the circular definition of active and passive states as a 'dead-end,' implying a need to move beyond this duality.

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Paradox As Teachingethics

Using apparent contradiction, reversal, or riddle to destabilise ordinary understanding and induce insight.

[auto] The passage relies on logical paradoxes (e.g., matter is invented yet unseen, Egyptian darkness sold as powder) to destabilize ordinary physical definitions.

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Related passages · 5 parallels
buddhism|Vajrakkhedika (Diamond Cutter)|Section 1s
Because, O Bhagavat, if there were a sphere of worlds, there would exist a belief in matter; and what was preached as a belief in matter by the Tathâgata, that was preached as no-belief by the Tathâgata; and therefore it is called a belief…”
Both passages explore the abstract and conceptual nature of matter and other fundamental concepts, questioning their tangible existence and emphasizing their abstract, almost illusory nature. They both delve into the idea that these concepts are constructs of the mind rather than tangible entities.
neoplatonism|Select Works of Plotinus|Select Works, Section 91
Section 1 1. We hold that the ordered universe, in its material mass, has existed for ever and will for ever endure: but simply to refer this perdurance to the Will of God, however true an explanation, is utterly inadequate. The elements of…”
Both passages explore the abstract nature of fundamental concepts (matter and force in Passage A, celestial entities in Passage B) and question their tangible existence, highlighting the limitations of human perception and understanding.
neoplatonism|Select Works of Plotinus|Select Works, Section 92
Section 2 2. Supposing we accept this view and hold that, while things below the moon's orb have merely type-persistence, the celestial realm and all its several members possess individual eternity; it remains to show how this strict perman…”
Both passages explore the abstract and conceptual nature of matter and its perception, questioning the ability to observe matter and force independently of phenomena and objects. They both delve into the philosophical and metaphysical aspects of these concepts, though from different traditions.
neoplatonism|Select Works of Plotinus|Select Works, Section 238 (part 1)
Section 6 6. the Intellectual Essence, wholly of the order of Ideal-form, must be taken as impassive has been already established. But Matter also is an incorporeal, though after a mode of its own; we must examine, therefore, how this sta…”
Both passages explore the abstract and intangible nature of matter and force, questioning their physical definitions and proposing that they are conceptual rather than tangible entities. They share a mystical perspective that delves into the essence of existence and the limitations of physical understanding.
neoplatonism|Select Works of Plotinus|Select Works, Section 239
Section 7 7. We are thus brought back to the nature of that underlying matter and the things believed to be based upon it; investigation will show us that Matter has no reality and is not capable of being affected. Matter must be bodiless-…”
Both passages explore the abstract and intangible nature of matter and force, questioning their physical definitions and proposing that they are conceptual rather than tangible entities. They share a mystical perspective that delves into the essence of existence and the limitations of physical understanding.